I recently spoke to the technical wizzards at Yamaha to see if there was any way to access "Music Finder Plus" from an on-line computer because the Internet Direct Connection (IDC) is missing from the PSR S950. Unfortunately this isn't possible, but during the conversation I was told that the IDC has also been dropped from the Tyros 5 ! This was quite a surprise to me as Tyros 5 is supposed to be a flagship of the Yamaha keyboards.
I asked what the usb dongle was for and was told that is just to communicate with tablet applications, either apple or android.
If this is correct, then the Tyros 4 and S910 were the last keyboards able to access Music Finder Plus, and directly load new styles and software.
Can anyone confirm this?
First of all, may I say what a pleasure it was to have the opportunity to say a brief hello to you last Friday when we met at Banbury.
I have both a Tyros 5 and also the CVP 609 and I can confirm that you are right in terms of IDC is no longer on these new generation of instruments.
I am fortunate in that I do have an iPad and have, therefore, downloaded the App to access the new equivalent of Music Finder files but for those who do not have these or only have Android, for now this is clearly a problem.
I don't think Yamaha can expect members to go out and buy all these very expensive accessories, marvellous though they may be - and I am very keen on all the Apple products but I am being realistic here.
I am hoping we may have some kind of official explanation from Yamaha to say exactly what is available and how it might be obtained if one doesn't have these other devices, because this isn't really clear.
There must be a way of downloading these files directly from Yamaha MusicSoft, or wherever it can be found and then loaded via a USB stick - but I think it would be nice to know definitively what the situation is here.
This sounds like another of your informative lessons, it really gets up my nose these so called improvements by manufacturers it's like two steps forward and three steps back,I expected ,when my t5 appears next week to be comparable with the t4. Richard bowers is performing at Rogers music next week,could be a lively debate.
Cheers alan just a thought are Yamaha. Trying to attract a younger base?
It was a delight for me to meet you, I'm just sorry it was all too brief.
Yamaha insisted to me on the phone that it was not possible to access the Music Finder Plus files via computer and add the chosen ones via usb. It is of course possible to download a Music Finder set, but Music Finder Plus has so many more titles. These are a great help to a non-musician like me who often needs a "toe-hold" to find appropriate rhythm and voices for a new song attempt.
I downloaded a few more yesterday on the Tyros 3 and they certainly help me.
Yamaha do seem to be dropping some things we had begun to take for granted when upgrading. When I changed from the S910 to the S950 for smaller gigs, I was surprised to lose the excellent display of the S910, the IDC, and the quick power-up. The S950 takes over 45 seconds to power up before you can get a note out of it. I always fear someone pulling the wrong plug when on a gig.
However, to me the S950 sounds far better than the S910, and I was very impressed with the sound of the T5 compared to my T3. (I haven't any experience of the T4).
I'm certainly looking forward to acquiring a T5 within the next year, or sooner. I try to make my keyboards pay for themselves.
You mention using an IPad and app??? what app do you have and from where. Also how do you use it to gather your new equivalent music finder files??? and once you have them how do you transfer to your Tyros 5 ???
I recently bought an IPad but am at a loss for what you have done to access the files you mention.
Hi again Susie,
Please could you clarify whether you can use a tablet (+ downloaded app) to access Music Finder Plus, or just Music Finder using the Tyros 5? There is a big difference, with Music Finder Plus listing an enormous selection of titles, that can be downloaded individually, whereas the Music Finder just downloads a fixed set in a single block.
This whole process seems to be a right royal faff about when it used to be oh so simple especially with the direct internet connection which was trumpeted by Yamaha as the best thing to ever happen to the musical instrument world.
Also, by only having access via Apple products seems to be a "restricted practice" - I have no intentions of shelling out an additional bag of quidlets on top of the cost of the CVP.
And why - oh why! - is it necessary to sign up to Facebook for goodness sake...
I'm sure I am not the only one to feel just a tad indignant about the way Yamaha are "allowing" us to partake in the sharing of files etc.
A further question - is the direct internet thingy now NOT available to those instruments prior to the 600 series Clavinovas and now T5.
I was never on the direct Internet every day when I had my 509 but I did use it on a fairly regular basis.
Please don't grumble/moan at Susie she is doing her best to sort out Yamaha's faults.I think its away for those clever people at yamaha to see what styles are floating around by other musicians make a few changes before calling them their own and selling them as styles packs.(my thoughts).I am on face book but restrict my comments to the state of the weather ,nothing else ,all what these people want is an email address tel no to sell you something you do not want.
Just come home after being out for the day and having read through your comments, I have re-posted the link - apologies because I thought I had checked them (I usually do!!!!) to make sure they were sound.
Anyhow, all working now.
Apologies to Ken - you were clearly feeling very browned off this morning!!!!!
Just one further thing. I have had the opportunity to voice my reservations/disappointments to one or two Yamaha executives on behalf of us all - and I think and hope they are taking this on board.
As I have mentioned elsewhere, as soon as we have information about improvements / updates, these will be posted up promptly.
I hope your Yamaha experts took everything on board but as consumers why should we have to point out our disappointment .T6 should be along soon with all faults rectified.
Robert sent from my ipad
Susie ~~~ I wasn't feeling (especially) browned off - just a bit miffed at the removal of a particularly useful item from the latest and best (!) from Yamaha
The IDC was hailed and trumpeted aloud for what it was when it became available at the 400 series CVPs (I think!) - now it has gone. Why cannot a simple internet connection to Yamaha via PC still be available?
Steve mentioned the "app" for Apple and Android OS devices but I am not aware of anything for Android (I have a Samsung smart 'phone on Android) but equally not informed as to how this would work even if it is available.
When the 609 was delivered it came with a dongle to connect via USB socket to the internet...at that time I had opted NOT to have my router operating as "wireless". I have recently changed the router settings so that I have a wireless option that I use for my laptop. However, the dongle does state that I have a connection but then shuts down
What I can't get my head round is this: why is the dongle supplied - does it still have to operated via an "app" from Apple?
I only hope that your conversations with Yamaha execs is going to bear fruit in the not toooooo distant future.
Geoff ~~~ oooops! I did not notice the missing "w"
"Fumble" ~~~ I am so pleased for you that your IDC is still operational Feel our pain
As soon as I have any further information that we are able to post up from Yamaha, I can assure you that we will do so.
I am as frustrated as all of you about so many of these issues, but Yamaha are working on it and let's hope for some positive news soon.
Briefly, I cannot believe that their software capability won't extend to other Android devices as well as Apple - but hope that soon things will be made clear. The problem is that I can only feed in information when it is given to us!!!! And with regard to your Dongle (I cannot believe I actually wrote that !!!!!!) it might be best to phone Yamaha Technical Advice - details at the top of SUPPORT if you click that in the index at the top of this page.
Susie- I cannot think why Yamaha did not fit an IDC Ethernet connection as well as having facilities for Ipad's etc, to cater for those of us without such (expensive) items. Also not making this available via a normal PC or laptop?
I can only conclude that they intend to sell us the MF+ in the future to make even more money?
As an owner of a CVP609 and an IPad, I must say that I have found the Yamaha repertoire app quite useful. At present there are only around 50 registrations available, but I would imagine this number will grow over time as both Yamaha and other owners upload their registrations.
I can understand that not everyone would want to rush out and buy an IPad and it occurred to me that if someone like myself had downloaded all the available registrations, then they could be copied from the instrument to a computer and then uploaded to a sharing site such as Box.net from where they could be downloaded. This would allow non iPad owners access to the Repertoire registrations.
This would possibly raise a copyright issue, but can registration files be subject to copyright? As they are free to download anyway, then if can't see that it would be an issue.
I can see the point of the "app" situation as it does follow current/modern trends but why should it (at the same time) be contrary to all previous methodology e.g. PC downloads...
The thought had not been lost on me that some person that does have the capability for the current/new method would be able to post files on the web at such sites as this. If the file has been uploaded to the web-based Yamaha site I would still regard that as being in the public domain and not necessarily the intellectual property of the host site i.e. Yamaha. That being said, there are always e-mails and PMs
However, I did not obtain any qualifications in law and would seek to obtain the views of others, perhaps more au-fait with the legal parameters in question.
With (further) regard to an iPad ~~~ it is not that I cannot afford one but I have an unenviable track record of making such purchases at substantial cost to find that in a very short time *whatever* has become available at knock-down prices and I am left with *experience* which I have in abundant quantities